I've said for years it takes an amazing amount of rationalizations to be a liberal these days. On Tuesday's “Hardball,” Salon editor Joan Walsh demonstrated perfectly what I mean (video follows with transcript and commentary): CHRIS MATTHEWS, HOST: Can’t they hear themselves in the echo chamber of B.S. they live in that the minute the guy did the opposite of what he said he did, he should have done, they would have attacked that. It’s just automatic criticism. Your thoughts, Joan. Before we get to Walsh's absurd response, what Matthews and his guests including the Huffington Post's Howard Fineman were discussing were comments some of the possible Republican presidential candidates have been making concerning Barack Obama and Libya that may not have been consistent with previous positions that they've made in the past. For his part, Matthews was, as typical, playing the conveniently ignorant shill who despite having worked for a politician before and in his current capacity as a professional commentator for decades has suddenly forgotten how politics work. As the “Hardball” host knows full well except when it's employed by politicians he despises, the modus operandi of a potential challenger to an incumbent is to criticize everything he or she says or does. You don't get anywhere by agreeing with your opponent. That Matthews is pleading ignorance to this is of course not at all surprising as after saying in November 2008 that it was his job to make Obama's presidency a success, he has made it clear in recent months that he will do everything within his power to get him reelected. With that, let's see what Walsh had to say: JOAN WALSH, SALON: Well, it’s so shallow, too. You know? And that is what you’re saying, Chris. It doesn’t matter. If something different happened, they would have a different principle. So they’re not, they’re not applying any kind of coherent principle of foreign policy or of domestic policy. They’re just looking for opportunities to cheap shot the President. The people who were criticizing Bush had a coherent, had coherent reasons to criticize him. It wasn’t like that. There was coherence to the point of view, where as here, I think you’re exactly right. They would just be trashing him whatever he did, and it feels that way. It feels cheap, it feels shallow. That warrants repeating: “The people who were criticizing Bush had a coherent, had coherent reasons to criticize him. It wasn’t like that. There was coherence to the point of view.” Really? I guess Walsh has forgotten the term “Bush Derangement Syndrome” which was originally coined by Charles Krauthammer in December 2003: Bush Derangement Syndrome: the acute onset of paranoia in otherwise normal people in reaction to the policies, the presidency — nay — the very existence of George W. Bush. Now, I cannot testify to Howard Dean's sanity before this campaign, but five terms as governor by a man with no visible tics and no history of involuntary confinement is pretty good evidence of a normal mental status. When he avers, however, that “the most interesting'' theory as to why the president is “suppressing'' the 9/11 report is that Bush knew about 9/11 in advance, it's time to check on thorazine supplies. When Rep. Cynthia McKinney first broached this idea before the 2002 primary election, it was considered so nutty it helped make her former Rep. McKinney. Today the Democratic presidential front-runner professes agnosticism as to whether the president of the United States was tipped off about 9/11 by the Saudis, and it goes unnoticed. The virus is spreading. The virus indeed spread. Let's recall that folks on the Left blamed Bush for among other things: A recession that began less than two months after he took office as a result of the explosion of the tech bubble the year before The attacks on 9/11 despite them taking years to plan The Enron scandal “Outing” Valerie Plame Rising oil and gas prices Hurricane Katrina including poorly maintained dikes Tornado response in Kansas The 2008 financial crisis despite the major culprits being the Financial Service Modernization Act of 1999 and the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 both enacted before he was inaugurated Our current budget deficit despite the last budget he created with a Republican Congress in 2007 having produced a relatively tiny $160 billion shortfall and him being out of office for 26 months. Of course, this is only a short list. So pervasive was BDS that there's even a Wikipedia page devoted to it. Sadly, this malady continues today as Matthews himself in January blamed the Egypt riots on Bush. New York Times columnist Frank Rich blamed last year's BP oil spill on the former President as well. I guess this is what Walsh would consider “coherent.”
Continue reading …I've said for years it takes an amazing amount of rationalizations to be a liberal these days. On Tuesday's “Hardball,” Salon editor Joan Walsh demonstrated perfectly what I mean (video follows with transcript and commentary): CHRIS MATTHEWS, HOST: Can’t they hear themselves in the echo chamber of B.S. they live in that the minute the guy did the opposite of what he said he did, he should have done, they would have attacked that. It’s just automatic criticism. Your thoughts, Joan. Before we get to Walsh's absurd response, what Matthews and his guests including the Huffington Post's Howard Fineman were discussing were comments some of the possible Republican presidential candidates have been making concerning Barack Obama and Libya that may not have been consistent with previous positions that they've made in the past. For his part, Matthews was, as typical, playing the conveniently ignorant shill who despite having worked for a politician before and in his current capacity as a professional commentator for decades has suddenly forgotten how politics work. As the “Hardball” host knows full well except when it's employed by politicians he despises, the modus operandi of a potential challenger to an incumbent is to criticize everything he or she says or does. You don't get anywhere by agreeing with your opponent. That Matthews is pleading ignorance to this is of course not at all surprising as after saying in November 2008 that it was his job to make Obama's presidency a success, he has made it clear in recent months that he will do everything within his power to get him reelected. With that, let's see what Walsh had to say: JOAN WALSH, SALON: Well, it’s so shallow, too. You know? And that is what you’re saying, Chris. It doesn’t matter. If something different happened, they would have a different principle. So they’re not, they’re not applying any kind of coherent principle of foreign policy or of domestic policy. They’re just looking for opportunities to cheap shot the President. The people who were criticizing Bush had a coherent, had coherent reasons to criticize him. It wasn’t like that. There was coherence to the point of view, where as here, I think you’re exactly right. They would just be trashing him whatever he did, and it feels that way. It feels cheap, it feels shallow. That warrants repeating: “The people who were criticizing Bush had a coherent, had coherent reasons to criticize him. It wasn’t like that. There was coherence to the point of view.” Really? I guess Walsh has forgotten the term “Bush Derangement Syndrome” which was originally coined by Charles Krauthammer in December 2003: Bush Derangement Syndrome: the acute onset of paranoia in otherwise normal people in reaction to the policies, the presidency — nay — the very existence of George W. Bush. Now, I cannot testify to Howard Dean's sanity before this campaign, but five terms as governor by a man with no visible tics and no history of involuntary confinement is pretty good evidence of a normal mental status. When he avers, however, that “the most interesting'' theory as to why the president is “suppressing'' the 9/11 report is that Bush knew about 9/11 in advance, it's time to check on thorazine supplies. When Rep. Cynthia McKinney first broached this idea before the 2002 primary election, it was considered so nutty it helped make her former Rep. McKinney. Today the Democratic presidential front-runner professes agnosticism as to whether the president of the United States was tipped off about 9/11 by the Saudis, and it goes unnoticed. The virus is spreading. The virus indeed spread. Let's recall that folks on the Left blamed Bush for among other things: A recession that began less than two months after he took office as a result of the explosion of the tech bubble the year before The attacks on 9/11 despite them taking years to plan The Enron scandal “Outing” Valerie Plame Rising oil and gas prices Hurricane Katrina including poorly maintained dikes Tornado response in Kansas The 2008 financial crisis despite the major culprits being the Financial Service Modernization Act of 1999 and the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 both enacted before he was inaugurated Our current budget deficit despite the last budget he created with a Republican Congress in 2007 having produced a relatively tiny $160 billion shortfall and him being out of office for 26 months. Of course, this is only a short list. So pervasive was BDS that there's even a Wikipedia page devoted to it. Sadly, this malady continues today as Matthews himself in January blamed the Egypt riots on Bush. New York Times columnist Frank Rich blamed last year's BP oil spill on the former President as well. I guess this is what Walsh would consider “coherent.”
Continue reading …The liberal media collectively hyperventilated the past couple of days after conservative author Ann Coulter had the nerve to claim that radiation at certain levels is actually a good thing. Jumping on the breathless bandwagon was MSNBC's Ed Schultz Friday who called Coulter “toxic” as he attacked her assertions without clearly elucidating her point (video follows with transcript and commentary): ED SCHULTZ, HOST: And welcome back to THE ED SHOW — time for “The Takedown.” A lot of people say Ann Coulter is toxic. But we had no idea that she would take that literally. Coulter says there’s no problem with exposing yourself to high levels of radiation. You would laugh at her if she wasn’t making light of a terrible tragedy. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) ANN COULTER, CONSERVATIVE AUTHOR: There’s a growing body of evidence that radiation in excess of what the government says are the minimum amounts you should be exposed to were actually good for you and reduce cases of cancer. (END VIDEO CLIP) SCHULTZ: In a titled column, “A Glowing Report on Radiation,” Coulter dismissed the dangerous effects of nuclear disaster in Japan. She wrote, “The only good news is that anyone exposed to excess radiation from the nuclear power plants is now probably much less likely to get cancer.” Her basic premise is what the scientific community calls hormesis. It’s the theory that low doses of radiation can help fight diseases. Recent reports by the United States National Research Council, the National Council on Radiation Protection and Measurements, and the United Nations Scientific Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation all concluded that insufficient human data on hormesis exists. So, while it’s possible there may be health benefits to low doses of radiation, you won’t find any international scientific agencies promoting that theory just yet. But Coulter isn’t just talking about low doses. She’s giving the impression that high level radiation exposure is safe, even though a reading at the Fukushima plant showed enough leakage to cause acute radiation sickness in anyone exposed for more than a couple of hours. Coulter even goes back to the old myth that only 31 people died as a result of the Chernobyl meltdown — a myth we debunked on this program earlier this week. If you remember, some studies have the resulting death count from Chernobyl as high as 500,000 people. Coulter probably thought her expert opinion would find a captive audience on FOX News, but watch Bill O’Reilly’s reaction to Coulter’s theory. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) BILL O’REILLY, FOX NEWS: What you say may be true. There may be some doses of radiation that the human body can ward off infection. But in something like this, you have to get the folks out of there. COULTER: OK. But the point is O’REILLY: And you have to report — you have to report worst-case scenario. (END VIDEO CLIP) SCHULTZ: Even Bill O’Reilly can’t get onboard with Coulter’s scientific method. This Bill O’Reilly: (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) O’REILLY: Tide goes in tide goes out. Never a miscommunication. You can’t explain that. (END VIDEO CLIP) SCHULTZ: Radiation in, radiation out; who knows. When Bill O’Reilly is lecturing you about your shoddy science, you know you’re off the rails. But Ann Coulter doesn’t care about science. She only cares about being provocative so Fox will keep putting her on TV. She is so predictable. You could write a scientific formula for her. Ann goes on TV. Ann goes off TV. There is always misinformation. That’s the Takedown. Let's analyze this slowly. Here's what Coulter wrote Wednesday: As The New York Times science section reported in 2001, an increasing number of scientists believe that at some level — much higher than the minimums set by the U.S. government — radiation is good for you. “They theorize,” the Times said, that “these doses protect against cancer by activating cells' natural defense mechanisms.” Among the studies mentioned by the Times was one in Canada finding that tuberculosis patients subjected to multiple chest X-rays had much lower rates of breast cancer than the general population. Schultz conveniently ignored that Coulter cited the Times in her piece. That's unfortunately what passes for journalism at MSNBC these days. Rather than mimic his negligence, let's take a look at what the Times reported in its November 2001 article ” For Radiation, How Much Is Too Much? “: In their efforts to protect Americans from the hazards of radiation, federal agencies have found themselves in a quandary. People are constantly exposed to radiation from natural sources — from cosmic rays, radon seeping out of the earth and radioactive substances in soil, water, food and even from potassium in the human body itself. Compared with this radiation, the amounts coming from human efforts like nuclear plants are, relatively, minuscule. So, the question is, How closely must this radiation be regulated? Up to now, regulators have typically acted as if every bit of excess exposure is potentially hazardous. But some scientists question this assumption. “But some scientists question this assumption.” You can see why Schultz ignored this Times piece: In a report last year on radiation standards, the General Accounting Office, the investigative arm of Congress, said: ''The standards administered by E.P.A. and N.R.C. to protect the public from low-level radiation exposure do not have a conclusive scientific basis, despite decades of research.'' The situation is further confused, experts say, because regulatory standards are a hodgepodge. The Environmental Protection Agency advocates a standard for all radiation exposure from a single source or site at 15 millirem a year, with no more than 4 coming from ground water. A standard chest X-ray, in comparison, gives about 10 millirem to the chest, which is equivalent to 1 or 2 millirem to the whole body. The Nuclear Regulatory Commission sets its acceptable level of radiation exposure from any one source at 25 millirem a year. In contrast, the natural level of background radiation in the United States, on average, is about 350 millirem a year, and in some areas of the country it is many times higher than that. Having established a premise from an almost ten-year-old Times article, Coulter found other supportive sources: A $10 million Department of Energy study from 1991 examined 10 years of epidemiological research by the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health on 700,000 shipyard workers, some of whom had been exposed to 10 times more radiation than the others from their work on the ships' nuclear reactors. The workers exposed to excess radiation had a 24 percent lower death rate and a 25 percent lower cancer mortality than the non-irradiated workers. In 1983, a series of apartment buildings in Taiwan were accidentally constructed with massive amounts of cobalt 60, a radioactive substance. After 16 years, the buildings' 10,000 occupants developed only five cases of cancer. The cancer rate for the same age group in the general Taiwanese population over that time period predicted 170 cancers. The people in those buildings had been exposed to radiation nearly five times the maximum “safe” level according to the U.S. government. But they ended up with a cancer rate 96 percent lower than the general population. Bernard L. Cohen, a physics professor at the University of Pittsburgh, compared radon exposure and lung cancer rates in 1,729 counties covering 90 percent of the U.S. population. His study in the 1990s found far fewer cases of lung cancer in those counties with the highest amounts of radon — a correlation that could not be explained by smoking rates. Tom Bethell, author of the The Politically Incorrect Guide to Science has been writing for years about the beneficial effects of some radiation, or “hormesis.” And what was Coulter's conclusion? Although it is hardly a settled scientific fact that excess radiation is a health benefit, there's certainly evidence that it decreases the risk of some cancers — and there are plenty of scientists willing to say so. Indeed. Radiation therapy is even used to kill various cancers. Makes one wonder if Schultz is aware of such treatment. But missed in all of the shouting was Coulter's real point: I guess good radiation stories are not as exciting as news anchors warning of mutant humans and scary nuclear power plants — news anchors who, by the way, have injected small amounts of poison into their foreheads to stave off wrinkles. Which is to say: The general theory that small amounts of toxins can be healthy is widely accepted –except in the case of radiation. Every day Americans pop multivitamins containing trace amount of zinc, magnesium, selenium, copper, manganese, chromium, molybdenum, nickel, boron — all poisons. They get flu shots. They'll drink copious amounts of coffee to ingest a poison: caffeine. (Back in the '70s, Professor Cohen offered to eat as much plutonium as Ralph Nader would eat caffeine — an offer Nader never accepted.) But in the case of radiation, the media have Americans convinced that the minutest amount is always deadly. Although reporters love to issue sensationalized reports about the danger from Japan's nuclear reactors, remember that, so far, thousands have died only because of Mother Nature. And the survivors may outlive all of us over here in hermetically sealed, radiation-free America. Indeed. From the moment this nuclear crisis began last Friday, our media have been fear-mongering the situation rather than properly informing a concerned public. Instead of telling people the minimal risks of hazardous radiation levels reaching our continent, the press have incited anxieties creating runs on potassium iodide up and down the West Coast. Rather than participate in this nonsense, Coulter wrote a well-researched piece Wednesday presenting a side of this story that should have been included alongside the hyperventilation for some balance.
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Continue reading …Jon Meacham, the liberal host of PBS's “Need to Know,” frankly admitted Thursday that media scrutiny of President Bush would far surpass the mild criticism of Barack Obama when it comes to a 10-minute ESPN segment on the President filling out his NCAA Tournament bracket. Stalwart liberals such as MSNBC “Morning Joe” co-host Mika Brzezinski and California Lt. Governor Gavin Newsom (D) agreed. “My only point is that Bush would have gotten more barbecued for this,” Meacham claimed on “Morning Joe” Thursday. “Anyone who thinks that he didn't – he wouldn't – is crazy.” The panel was debating the merits of President Obama appearing on ESPN to discuss basketball while Libya is in turmoil and Japan is facing a possible nuclear catastrophe.
Continue reading …Yet another fire has erupted at Japan’s Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear plant, reports Reuters . This one’s at the building housing reactor No. 4, the scene of an earlier fire that blew a hole in the building and emitted radiation. Two workers remain missing from that earlier fire, notes MSNBC . What’s worse,…
Continue reading …Lawrence O'Donnell on Monday accused people that voted for Congresswoman Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) last November of being “shockingly ignorant,” and said one of the reasons was because her district is 92 percent white. This happened as “The Last Word” host went on an almost seven-minute rant about Bachmann's gaffe this weekend concerning Lexington and Concord being in New Hampshire rather than Massachusetts (video follows with transcript and commentary): LAWRENCE O’DONNELL: Time for tonight's “Rewrite.” Okay. This one does have the feel of shooting fish in a barrel, but so does anything involving fact checking Michele Bachmann. In fact, the phrase shooting fish in a barrel could be replaced with fact checking Michele Bachmann, or better put, mistake proving Michele Bachmann, because finding Michele Bachmann’s mistakes is as easy or perhaps easier than shooting fish in a barrel, especially for those of us that aren't exactly handy with guns. And mistakes is a kind word when it comes to Michele Bachmann. Many of the falsehoods she has spouted, such as healthcare death panels, must be lies because she must know, she must know that they are completely untrue. But many of the things she says are truly breathtaking demonstrations of ignorance levels previously unimaginable in a member of Congress or a graduate of an American elementary school. Like when she said recently in prepared text that the Founding Fathers ended slavery, obviously having absolutely no idea that the Founding Fathers deliberately did nothing to end slavery, and that it was, in fact, the 16th President of the United States who issued the Emancipation Proclamation and fought and won a civil war to end slavery. Actually, the ignorance on display here was O'Donnell's. Bachmann didn't say the Founding Fathers ended slavery. She said they – in particular, John Quincy Adams – worked tirelessly to end slavery. As NewsBusters reported on January 27, this is technically correct. Also, to say “the Founding Fathers deliberately did nothing to end slavery” is 100 percent false, for as NewsBusters also reported in January, there was originally an anti-slavery clause in the Declaration of Independence that southern delegates to the First Continental Congress, led by South Carolina's Edward Rutledge, forced the removal of.
Continue reading …Demonstrating the ability to go unhinged without provocation, movie critic Robert Ebert looked at this Hollywood Reporter item discussing CNN's audience increase on Friday as an excuse to tweet the following at about midnight Eastern time last night: As poster “Hollywoodland” at Andrew Breitbart's Big Hollywood pointed out , Ebert's link doesn't even support his claim. Looking at more comprehensive numbers, let's compare Media Bistro's cable news scoreboards for Friday, March 11 to Friday, March 4 . One sees that while CNN's viewership went up astronomically, Fox's viewership also increased quite substantially (all figures presented are March 11 vs. March 4): Total Day, All viewers, CNN — 2.532 million vs. 495,000, up 412% Total Day, 25-54 Demo, CNN — 1.100 million vs. 169,000, up 551% Total Day, All viewers, Fox — 2.273 million vs. 1.381 million, up 97% Total Day, 25-54 Demo, Fox — 724,000 vs. 368,000, up 97% Prime Time, All viewers, CNN — 2.645 million vs. 582,000, up 354% Prime Time, 25-54 Demo, CNN — 1.163 million vs. 242,000, up 381% Prime Time, All viewers, Fox — 2.719 million vs. 2.069 million, up 31% Prime Time, 25-54 Demo, Fox — 754,000 vs. 488,000, up 55% Further contradicting Ebert's claim, MSNBC's numbers compared to the other two cable networks barely budged. Each of MSNBC's four March 4-11 audience
Continue reading …On Monday's Andrea Mitchell Reports on MSNBC, fill-in host Norah O'Donnell touted “court challenges and recall efforts now that Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker has signed a bill into law restricting collective bargaining rights.” Turning to former SEIU President Andy Stern, she proclaimed: “100,000 protesters took to the [Wisconsin] capital this weekend….That's a huge rally.” Stern argued: “…that is enormous and I think it just makes the point this is not over….People are very angry and this has become quite a symbolic moment.” O'Donnell then lamented: “And yet, the Governor was able to sign this bill into law.” She later added: “You think actually there's been a backlash that has mobilized all the pro-union forces, as a result, all across the country.” Stern responded: “I think it's an American moment where people say, 'We understand we have to share in the pain when things are bad but we don't think we have to lose our rights, lose our unions, and have large corporations and some of the members of the Republican party act in such a destructful [destructive] manner.'” O'Donnell then bizarrely brought the potential of an NFL players strike into the conversation. Stern equated the situation with that of Wisconsin and ranted: “It seems like CEOs and people always do well and workers are always asked to pay a price. I don't think America likes that anymore and the football situation is so clearly about that.” Agreeing with Stern, O'Donnell claimed that an NFL strike would cause Americans to become more pro-union: “A lot of people like the NFL, a lot of people like to watch football. And if they start hearing they're not going to have their football come the fall they're going to ask why and I can tell you probably most people are going to end up siding with the players over the owners.” Referring to the multi-millionaire pro-football players, Stern asserted: “I think people feel like these players work hard. They only have two or three years of real experience to earn a lot of money, then they, a lot of times, get injured. They deserve something better than this.” Here is a full transcript of the March 14 segment: 1:46PM ET NORAH O'DONNELL: Pro-union supporters are refocusing on court challenges and recall efforts now that Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker has signed a bill into law restricting collective bargaining rights. An estimated 100,000 protesters took to the capital this weekend. Andy Stern is the former president of the 2 million-member Service Employees International Union. Andy, good to see you. 100,000 protesters. That's a huge rally. [ON-SCREEN HEADLINE: Fight for Labor Rights; Pro-Union Supporters Building Recall Efforts] ANDY STERN: Yeah, I mean, that is enormous and I think it just makes the point this is not over. It was not like we signed a law and everyone's going to move on. People are very angry and this has become quite a symbolic moment. O'DONNELL: And yet, the Governor was able to sign this bill into law. STERN: Yeah, I think clearly it did not end as perfectly as the unions wanted but I think the point is not ending. We have a recall now going on of senators. We have an opportunity in the 2012 election to be able to make Wisconsin a state that does represent workers rights. And I think, you know, most importantly around the country people are beginning to say, 'What was the purpose of all of this? This wasn't good government, this was a political payback.' O'DONNELL: You think actually there's been a backlash that has mobilized all the pro-union forces, as a result, all across the country. STERN: I don't think it's just the pro-union forces, those 100,000 people, there were farmers yesterday in their tractors and pickup trucks. I mean, I think it's an American moment where people say, 'We understand we have to share in the pain when things are bad but we don't think we have to lose our rights, lose our unions, and have large corporations and some of the members of the Republican party act in such a destructful manner.' O'DONNELL: Of course, on Friday, we saw the NFL move forward and shut out the players. This is really significant. STERN: Oh I think it's huge, and it just makes the point. Here we have Wisconsin, where I think people said, 'Okay, when things are going bad, workers have a responsibility, like everyone else, to share in the pain.' Here we have the NFL, 'It's doing phenomenally well, but we're not supposed to share in the gain. We're again supposed to share in the pain.' And it seems like CEOs and people always do well and workers are always asked to pay a price. I don't think America likes that anymore and the football situation is so clearly about that. O'DONNELL: I actually think the NFL situation can have farther reaching complications, because so many people watch football. Not everybody knows Wisconsin or knows what's going on in Wisconsin, they may not be part of a union. But a lot of people like the NFL, a lot of people like to watch football. And if they start hearing they're not going to have their football come the fall they're going to ask why and I can tell you probably most people are going to end up siding with the players over the owners. STERN: Yeah, I think so too. And you know, when you think about how much taxpayers have contributed to the stadiums all over the country – and it's not just how much people pay for the advertising and watch it – I think people feel like these players work hard. They only have two or three years of real experience to earn a lot of money, then they, a lot of times, get injured. They deserve something better than this. O'DONNELL: But you do fully acknowledge, like in Wisconsin, that private sector unions – excuse me, public sector unions – and public employees are going to have to pay more when it comes to health care and pension and everything else? STERN: Yeah. And I think we're seeing that. I think people understand that when things are bad everyone has to share. The question is when things are good, like the Football Players Association, what's that about? O'DONNELL: Andy Stern, good to see you. Thanks so much for joining us. STERN: Thanks.
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