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Nato defence ministers meet to debate ending Libyan air war

Allies discuss end of bombing operation amid concerns over cost and vagueness of aims after ousting of Muammar Gaddafi Nato defence ministers are to debate on Thursday when to declare an end to the air war in Libya amid concerns over the mounting cost of the campaign and the vagueness of the alliance’s war aims. The Nato secretary general, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, said on Wednesday that the end of the war would not be determined by the fate of the fugitive former dictator Muammar Gaddafi. “The key will be the protection of the civilian population, so when no threat exists against the civilian population then the time will have come to terminate our operation,” Rasmussen said at the start of the two-day meeting in Brussels, which will include Arab states involved in the campaign. He said the decision would be based in part on an assessment of the ability of the new government in Tripoli to protect civilians, and would be taken in consultation with the Libyan National Transitional Council (NTC) and the UN. Pro-Gaddafi forces still hold parts of the towns of Sirte and Bani Walid, but as the territory they control has shrunk, military targets for Nato warplanes have also dwindled. Nato aircraft have not carried out any strikes since the weekend. However, sorties by RAF Tornado and Typhoon jets, even without any bombs dropped or missiles fired, still cost £35,000 and £45,000 respectively. By some estimates the war could soon cost Britain more than £1bn, with France and the US facing similar bills, and there is anxiety in all three countries that the campaign should drag on indefinitely. Meanwhile, Nato members who originally opposed the intervention, including Germany and some eastern European states, argue that its mission is no longer clear. Nato officials admit it will be hard to make a judgment on when the civilian population is no longer under threat. “An operation is like a marriage. The only thing you know for sure is the day it starts,” one senior official said. “The big risk is that one day we stop and the next day there is a massacre, in which case we would have failed.” Alliance policy planners are discussing a scenario in which Gaddafi loyalists cease to hold any territory, but continue to inflict casualties, as Saddam Hussein’s followers did in Iraq. In such a situation, the population would be under constant threat, but Nato aircraft would be almost powerless to intervene without the risk of causing yet more civilian deaths and injuries. Nato officials are also concerned that fighting could break out among the factions that brought down Gaddafi’s regime. They believe the alliance would be under an obligation to intervene under the terms of its UN mandate to protect the Libyan population. “If it degenerates into a big fight between factions, we will have to take action,” a senior official said. “If the scale and scope is of an order that justifies Nato intervention, we will intervene.” Even if the bloodshed came to an end, disengagement would not be entirely straightforward, Nato planners warn. The alliance is currently responsible for air traffic control over Libya, for example, and it could take some time for the new authorities to take over. Libya Arab and Middle East unrest Middle East Nato Muammar Gaddafi United Nations Africa Julian Borger guardian.co.uk

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QUOTE: NBA Really Running Out of Time

” I mean, we can only say we’re running out of time so many times.” — ADAM SILVER, the NBA’s deputy commissioner discussing the lockout negotiations (via Sports Illustrated)

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Musketeers Come to Life at World Premiere

Milla Jovovich steals the limelight in a thigh-splitting floor-length dress in London, at the world premiere of ‘The Three Musketeers in 3D.’ Star Orlando Bloom also dazzled the crowds as he joked about the classic tale and its contemporary flair.(Oct. 5)

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ASUS 12X Blu-ray Burner with Disc Encryption – BW-12B1ST/BLK/G (Black)

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Sesame Street To Tackle Child Hunger

humorfeast says: Humor Feast: ‘ Sesame Street ‘ to tackle child hunger http://t.co/wg1bCFLr via @ humorfeast

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The death toll from the listeriosis outbreak linked to cantaloupes rose to 18 as government officials confirmed three more deaths yesterday. The total number of illnesses is now 100, according to the CDC. An FDA official says more victims are expected, since listeria symptoms can take up to two months…

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Ominous Video: Hackers Say They Will ‘Erase’ NYSE From Internet

Ever since Occupy Wall Street protests began mid-September, the hacker collective Anonymous has been posting its support for protestors and threats against those like the New York Police Department, on its YouTube channel . In its most recent post over the weekend, Anonymous threatens to “erase” the New York Stock Exchange from the Internet. [caption id=”attachment_151372″ align=”aligncenter” width=”570″… Broadcasting platform : YouTube Source : The Blaze Discovery Date : 03/10/2011 00:03 Number of articles : 4

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Libya mass grave discovered near Misrata

Bodies of five bound and executed men found wrapped in military blankets and buried in shallow sandy scrapes Whoever buried the five men, discovered in graves a little way outside the Libyan coastal city of Misrata, had a sense of order. The bodies were buried neatly in a row of shallow sandy scrapes, each wrapped in a green military blanket, the last one of them interred on the stretcher on which he was, in all likelihood, killed. Someone – no one knows who — had marked the place, leaving a sign next to the grave site saying: “Five dead.” All of them were men, wearing civilian clothes. Dr Faros Ahmed Dibrik gently uncovered one of the faces. From the state of decomposition, the man, like the others, had been dead for several months, probably killed during the bitter siege of Misrata by pro-Gaddafi forces. A blindfold had been tied around the man’s eyes. Dibrik carefully pushed it back and brushed away the sandy earth. The man’s forehead bore a bullet hole, just above his nose, penetrating the rag tied round his eyes. The damage at the back of the skull suggested he had been shot at close range. His hands and feet had been tied with thick green twine. Dibrik and a colleague measured the body. They examined the teeth and talked into a microphone, recording the injuries. Dibrik then moved to another body. Its hands too had been tied. The man on the stretcher, identifiable only by a serial number scrawled on a piece of paper and placed on his body, had also had his eyes covered before being shot. He had been a small man. When Dibrik rolled over the body his hands had also been tied behind his back. Forty or so onlookers, some in the uniform of Libya’s revolutionary forces, stood watching by the graves in silence. Dibrik searched in the pocket of the tracksuit bottoms worn by one of the men, looking for ID. There was none. “Nike,” he said. “Civilian clothes.” A man standing nearby explained that many of the fighters from Misrata’s siege wore combat trousers, as many fighters do today, mixed with T-shirts or other civilian clothing. Another made a calculation. “If these men were killed in April then this area of the front was under the control of Gaddafi forces. The only people who came here were shepherds.” It is impossible to tell. What is clear is that they were executed and their bodies dumped. Whatever the circumstances of their death, these graves are evidence of a war crime, committed, it seems likely from the military stretcher and from the army blankets, by soldiers. It seems likely too that these men’s names would appear on the list of the 1,000 or so still recorded by the town’s revolutionary forces as missing from the time of siege. Where the bodies of those still missing have been hidden is only now slowly being revealed, in sandy remote plots like this, far from any houses. It is evidence of what happened in Libya, beyond the eyes of reporters and human rights investigators, during the long months of war when atrocities were committed on both sides, and often with impunity. It is not the first grave and nor will it be the last to be found near this city. Even as the five bodies were exhumed, officials from the new government were searching for another grave which they had been told by a captured pro-Gaddafi fighter contained the bodies of 25 civilians captured during the town’s siege. For those still looking for their family members, the battle for Misrata will only be over when the last grave is found. Libya Middle East Africa Arab and Middle East unrest Peter Beaumont guardian.co.uk

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Bahrain medics jailed for treating protesters to get retrial

Twenty medical personnel were given sentences ranging from five to 15 years for treating injured protesters Bahrain’s attorney general has ordered a civilian court retrial for 20 medical personnel sentenced to prison as alleged backers of anti-government protests. A statement on Wednesday by Bahrain’s government apparently nullifies the verdicts earlier this week from a special security court against the doctors and nurses, who received sentences ranging from five to 15 years for treating injured protesters. The case brought an outcry from rights groups and raised questions from the UN secretary general. Bahrain has been gripped by nearly eight months of unrest by Shia-led protests seeking greater rights from the ruling Sunni monarchy. Bahrain Middle East Arab and Middle East unrest guardian.co.uk

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Raw Video: Smuggled Turtles Returned Home

Hundreds of threatened pig-nosed turtles smuggled from Indonesia as part of the illegal pet trade have been returned home. The 609 baby turtles were among more than 800 seized in Hong Kong earlier this year. (Oct. 5)

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