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EU referendum vote is wrong question at wrong time, says Hague

Foreign secretary speaks out as Commons prepares to debate motion calling for referendum of UK’s relationship with EU William Hague, has told backbench Eurosceptics that Monday’s Commons vote on pulling out of Europe “is the wrong question at the wrong time”. The foreign secretary spoke out as David Cameron faced the most serious challenge to his authority since taking office. A large number of Conservative MPs are reportedly planning to rebel on the Commons motion, which calls for a referendum on the UK’s relationship with the EU. Cameron will meet parliamentary aides in Downing Street before the vote in an attempt to dissuade as many as 10 members of the government who are minded to rebel against the prime minister, requiring them to resign their posts. The coalition is sticking to its decision to impose a three-line whip on MPs to vote against the motion, despite criticism that it has been too heavy-handed. The motion calls for a nationwide referendum on whether Britain should leave the EU, renegotiate its treaty with Brussels, or remain a member on the current terms. The government will not suffer a defeat because Labour and the Lib Dems will vote down the motion, but a sizeable group of Conservative believes Cameron should honour pledges once made to allow a national vote on Britain’s relationship with Europe. They are calling for the repatriation of social and employment rights. Hague – formerly one of the Tory party’s most high-profile Eurosceptics – defended the leadership’s decision to impose a three-line whip on the grounds that the motion being debated was “completely against the policy of the government”. “This proposition is the wrong question at the wrong time. It was not in the manifesto of either of the governing parties,” he said. “The whole relationship with the European Union is a matter that concerns the government … it is not just something for the House of Commons to put up some graffiti about.” He said an in/out referendum was not the right idea, adding: “I have argued for more referendums than almost anybody else, and I have argued against the euro more comprehensively than almost anybody else, but this proposition … cuts right across the rules for holding referendums that we have just agreed by large majorities. It would create additional economic uncertainty in this country. “The right referendum is that, whenever any government suggests handing more power from Britain to the EU, the British people are consulted – that is the right policy.” The Liberal Democrats do not support the repatriation of powers from Brussels, and the deputy prime minister, Nick Clegg, issued a statement warning that it was “far too early to speculate” about what the government’s position would be in the event of any moves to change EU treaties. Simon Hughes, the Lib Dem party leader, told Sky News: “I don’t think suddenly getting into a debate about whether or not we should be in the European Union, where we do half our business, is the right thing to do. “I believe that if we have the debate in the future, if the occasion comes up when there is a proposal to transfer powers, that the people, after the debate, will say yes again. “Now, there is an issue about whether the balance of powers is correct but nobody stood on a platform of having a referendum immediately now, just out of the blue. Certainly we didn’t.” The Conservative MP Bernard Jenkin told BBC Breakfast the EU referendum debate was “basically about democracy”. Jenkin, who is in favour of renegotiation rather than leaving the EU, denied the timing for a referendum was poor and said the call was in tune with the wider public. “When even John Major [the former Conservative prime minister who signed the Maastricht Treaty] is saying now is the moment for us to use our leverage to get powers back top the European Union, it would seem a good time,” he said. “Unfortunately there doesn’t seem to be a treaty coming down the track to hang a referendum on, so we haven’t got that leverage. This would be an opening shot consultative referendum, to ask the British people about what the dilemma facing this country is. Do we stay in and carry on as now? Do we get out completely, or as the majority of polls show people want, renegotiate our relationship? “I’m sorry about that, but I think the vast majority of MPs know in their hearts there should be a referendum.” But David Lidington, the Conservative minister for Europe, said that, for the wider British public, an EU referendum is “the last thing on their minds”. “I’ve had some identically worded campaign letters from constituents calling for a referendum,” he told Breakfast News. “When I go around the constituency at political and non-political events, this is the last thing on their minds. “What they are worried about are how their school-leaver or graduate children are going to get jobs; they’re worried about the future of public services; they’re concerned about crime and about the welfare system. They want the government to sort out those problems, particularly the challenges as regards employment.” The UK Independence party leaderNigel Farage, said it was fascinating to watch the Conservatives “tear themselves apart over this”. “Polls over the last few days have clearly shown that the general public believe MPs should be able to vote how they like regarding an EU referendum,” the MEP said. “I urge all MPs across the parties to vote with their conscience ahead of their party or career. It is the least the British people deserve.” Cameron attempted to take some of the heat out of the rebellion at the EU summit in Brussels on Sunday. He used a press conference to appeal directly to potential rebels, talking up the chance of repatriating powers with the “possibility” of treaty change coming onto the agenda as early as December as the euro countries push towards fiscal integration. The prime minister said he had proved his ability to exact a good price when he agreed an EU treaty change that created a new mechanism for bailing out troubled eurozone countries but exempted Britain from having to pay for bailouts from 2013. It is not clear whether this would trigger the government’s stated commitment to a referendum because it is due to stage a vote only if new powers are transferred from Westminster to Brussels, and any change by Cameron would be likely to do the reverse. At the summit, Cameron became embroiled in a row with the French president, Nicolas Sarkozy , over Britain’s role in talks to solve the crisis enveloping the euro. Sarkozy apparently told the British prime minister to “shut up” and said he was fed up with him criticising the eurozone countries “and telling us what to do”. William Hague David Cameron Foreign policy Conservatives Liberal-Conservative coalition Labour Liberal Democrats Nick Clegg Simon Hughes UK Independence party (Ukip) European Union Nigel Farage Hélène Mulholland guardian.co.uk

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EU referendum vote is wrong question at wrong time, says Hague

Foreign secretary speaks out as Commons prepares to debate motion calling for referendum of UK’s relationship with EU William Hague, has told backbench Eurosceptics that Monday’s Commons vote on pulling out of Europe “is the wrong question at the wrong time”. The foreign secretary spoke out as David Cameron faced the most serious challenge to his authority since taking office. A large number of Conservative MPs are reportedly planning to rebel on the Commons motion, which calls for a referendum on the UK’s relationship with the EU. Cameron will meet parliamentary aides in Downing Street before the vote in an attempt to dissuade as many as 10 members of the government who are minded to rebel against the prime minister, requiring them to resign their posts. The coalition is sticking to its decision to impose a three-line whip on MPs to vote against the motion, despite criticism that it has been too heavy-handed. The motion calls for a nationwide referendum on whether Britain should leave the EU, renegotiate its treaty with Brussels, or remain a member on the current terms. The government will not suffer a defeat because Labour and the Lib Dems will vote down the motion, but a sizeable group of Conservative believes Cameron should honour pledges once made to allow a national vote on Britain’s relationship with Europe. They are calling for the repatriation of social and employment rights. Hague – formerly one of the Tory party’s most high-profile Eurosceptics – defended the leadership’s decision to impose a three-line whip on the grounds that the motion being debated was “completely against the policy of the government”. “This proposition is the wrong question at the wrong time. It was not in the manifesto of either of the governing parties,” he said. “The whole relationship with the European Union is a matter that concerns the government … it is not just something for the House of Commons to put up some graffiti about.” He said an in/out referendum was not the right idea, adding: “I have argued for more referendums than almost anybody else, and I have argued against the euro more comprehensively than almost anybody else, but this proposition … cuts right across the rules for holding referendums that we have just agreed by large majorities. It would create additional economic uncertainty in this country. “The right referendum is that, whenever any government suggests handing more power from Britain to the EU, the British people are consulted – that is the right policy.” The Liberal Democrats do not support the repatriation of powers from Brussels, and the deputy prime minister, Nick Clegg, issued a statement warning that it was “far too early to speculate” about what the government’s position would be in the event of any moves to change EU treaties. Simon Hughes, the Lib Dem party leader, told Sky News: “I don’t think suddenly getting into a debate about whether or not we should be in the European Union, where we do half our business, is the right thing to do. “I believe that if we have the debate in the future, if the occasion comes up when there is a proposal to transfer powers, that the people, after the debate, will say yes again. “Now, there is an issue about whether the balance of powers is correct but nobody stood on a platform of having a referendum immediately now, just out of the blue. Certainly we didn’t.” The Conservative MP Bernard Jenkin told BBC Breakfast the EU referendum debate was “basically about democracy”. Jenkin, who is in favour of renegotiation rather than leaving the EU, denied the timing for a referendum was poor and said the call was in tune with the wider public. “When even John Major [the former Conservative prime minister who signed the Maastricht Treaty] is saying now is the moment for us to use our leverage to get powers back top the European Union, it would seem a good time,” he said. “Unfortunately there doesn’t seem to be a treaty coming down the track to hang a referendum on, so we haven’t got that leverage. This would be an opening shot consultative referendum, to ask the British people about what the dilemma facing this country is. Do we stay in and carry on as now? Do we get out completely, or as the majority of polls show people want, renegotiate our relationship? “I’m sorry about that, but I think the vast majority of MPs know in their hearts there should be a referendum.” But David Lidington, the Conservative minister for Europe, said that, for the wider British public, an EU referendum is “the last thing on their minds”. “I’ve had some identically worded campaign letters from constituents calling for a referendum,” he told Breakfast News. “When I go around the constituency at political and non-political events, this is the last thing on their minds. “What they are worried about are how their school-leaver or graduate children are going to get jobs; they’re worried about the future of public services; they’re concerned about crime and about the welfare system. They want the government to sort out those problems, particularly the challenges as regards employment.” The UK Independence party leaderNigel Farage, said it was fascinating to watch the Conservatives “tear themselves apart over this”. “Polls over the last few days have clearly shown that the general public believe MPs should be able to vote how they like regarding an EU referendum,” the MEP said. “I urge all MPs across the parties to vote with their conscience ahead of their party or career. It is the least the British people deserve.” Cameron attempted to take some of the heat out of the rebellion at the EU summit in Brussels on Sunday. He used a press conference to appeal directly to potential rebels, talking up the chance of repatriating powers with the “possibility” of treaty change coming onto the agenda as early as December as the euro countries push towards fiscal integration. The prime minister said he had proved his ability to exact a good price when he agreed an EU treaty change that created a new mechanism for bailing out troubled eurozone countries but exempted Britain from having to pay for bailouts from 2013. It is not clear whether this would trigger the government’s stated commitment to a referendum because it is due to stage a vote only if new powers are transferred from Westminster to Brussels, and any change by Cameron would be likely to do the reverse. At the summit, Cameron became embroiled in a row with the French president, Nicolas Sarkozy , over Britain’s role in talks to solve the crisis enveloping the euro. Sarkozy apparently told the British prime minister to “shut up” and said he was fed up with him criticising the eurozone countries “and telling us what to do”. William Hague David Cameron Foreign policy Conservatives Liberal-Conservative coalition Labour Liberal Democrats Nick Clegg Simon Hughes UK Independence party (Ukip) European Union Nigel Farage Hélène Mulholland guardian.co.uk

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How big was the world’s population when you were born?

The world’s population is due to hit 7bn this October. Use our tool to find out the world’s population on your birth date, and how different countries were growing at that time Jonathan Richards Christine Oliver Martin Shuttleworth Mariana Santos

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Michael Sheen: ‘There have been times when I would have loved to be more of a star’

Famous for playing Tony Blair in three different films, as well as David Frost and Brian Clough, he is about to play Hamlet at the Young Vic. Yet the Welsh actor still remains practically anonymous It is a source of unending amazement to me that so many celebrities regard an interview as an opportunity to boast about their brilliance, in the belief that this will convince readers they are brilliant. This is not a mistake Michael Sheen is in any danger of making. The scruffy figure draws no stares or

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Michael Sheen: ‘There have been times when I would have loved to be more of a star’

Famous for playing Tony Blair in three different films, as well as David Frost and Brian Clough, he is about to play Hamlet at the Young Vic. Yet the Welsh actor still remains practically anonymous It is a source of unending amazement to me that so many celebrities regard an interview as an opportunity to boast about their brilliance, in the belief that this will convince readers they are brilliant. This is not a mistake Michael Sheen is in any danger of making. The scruffy figure draws no stares or

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Turkey earthquake death toll rising

Hundreds killed in cities of Van and Ercis by 7.2 magnitude quake, with many more feared trapped in rubble An earthquake in south-eastern Turkey has killed more than 200 people, with hundreds more casualties feared. Rescue teams worked through Sunday night trying to free survivors crying out for help from under the rubble. The Turkish interior minister, Idris Naim Sahin, said the 7.2 magnitude quake on Sunday killed 100 in the city of Van and 117 in the badly hit town of Ercis, 60 miles further north. The death toll was expected to rise. Overseeing emergency operations in Ercis, Sahin said 1,090 people were known to have been injured and hundreds were missing. Rescue efforts struggled to get into full swing following the quake, with electricity cut off as darkness fell on the towns and villages on the barren Anatolian steppe near the border with Iran. Survivors and emergency service workers searched frantically through broken concrete using hands, shovels and torches or working under floodlights powered by mobile generators. As dawn broke the scale of the devastation became clearer. At one crumpled four-storey building in Ercis a team of firemen from the largest south-eastern city of Diyarbakir were trying to reach four children believed trapped deep in an apartment block as concerned bystanders looked on. Nearby, aid teams handed out parcels of bread and food, while people wrapped in blankets huddled around open fires after spending a cold night on the streets. The prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, said there were an unknown number of people unaccounted for under the collapsed buildings of the stricken towns and he feared the worst for villagers living in outlying rural areas who had still to be reached. “Because the buildings are made of adobe [mudbrick] they are more vulnerable to quakes. I must say that almost all buildings in such villages are destroyed,” Erdogan told a televised news conference in Van. “We don’t know how many people are in the ruins of collapsed buildings, it would be wrong to give a number.” There have been more than 100 aftershocks since the main quake, which lasted for about 25 seconds at 1.40pm local time on Sunday. In Van, a bustling and ancient city on a lake ringed by snow-capped mountains and with a population of 1 million, cranes shifted rubble off a collapsed six-storey apartment block where bystanders said 70 people were trapped. There was much more damage in Ercis with 55 buildings flattened, including a student dormitory, in a town of 100,000. The Red Crescent said about 100 expert personnel had arrived at the earthquake zone to co-ordinate operations. Four thousand tents and 11,000 blankets, stoves and food were being distributed. A tent city was being set up at the Ercis sports stadium. Access to the region was made more difficult as the earthquake caused the partial collapse of the main road between Van and Ercis, broadcaster CNN Turk reported. The military said two battalions had been sent to assist the relief operations. The Dogan news agency reported that 24 people were pulled from the rubble alive in the two hours after midnight. One nurse told CNN Turk news channel the town’s hospital was so badly damaged that staff were treating the injured in the garden and bodies were being left outside the building. Turkey Natural disasters and extreme weather Middle East Europe guardian.co.uk

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Turkey earthquake death toll rising

Hundreds killed in cities of Van and Ercis by 7.2 magnitude quake, with many more feared trapped in rubble An earthquake in south-eastern Turkey has killed more than 200 people, with hundreds more casualties feared. Rescue teams worked through Sunday night trying to free survivors crying out for help from under the rubble. The Turkish interior minister, Idris Naim Sahin, said the 7.2 magnitude quake on Sunday killed 100 in the city of Van and 117 in the badly hit town of Ercis, 60 miles further north. The death toll was expected to rise. Overseeing emergency operations in Ercis, Sahin said 1,090 people were known to have been injured and hundreds were missing. Rescue efforts struggled to get into full swing following the quake, with electricity cut off as darkness fell on the towns and villages on the barren Anatolian steppe near the border with Iran. Survivors and emergency service workers searched frantically through broken concrete using hands, shovels and torches or working under floodlights powered by mobile generators. As dawn broke the scale of the devastation became clearer. At one crumpled four-storey building in Ercis a team of firemen from the largest south-eastern city of Diyarbakir were trying to reach four children believed trapped deep in an apartment block as concerned bystanders looked on. Nearby, aid teams handed out parcels of bread and food, while people wrapped in blankets huddled around open fires after spending a cold night on the streets. The prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, said there were an unknown number of people unaccounted for under the collapsed buildings of the stricken towns and he feared the worst for villagers living in outlying rural areas who had still to be reached. “Because the buildings are made of adobe [mudbrick] they are more vulnerable to quakes. I must say that almost all buildings in such villages are destroyed,” Erdogan told a televised news conference in Van. “We don’t know how many people are in the ruins of collapsed buildings, it would be wrong to give a number.” There have been more than 100 aftershocks since the main quake, which lasted for about 25 seconds at 1.40pm local time on Sunday. In Van, a bustling and ancient city on a lake ringed by snow-capped mountains and with a population of 1 million, cranes shifted rubble off a collapsed six-storey apartment block where bystanders said 70 people were trapped. There was much more damage in Ercis with 55 buildings flattened, including a student dormitory, in a town of 100,000. The Red Crescent said about 100 expert personnel had arrived at the earthquake zone to co-ordinate operations. Four thousand tents and 11,000 blankets, stoves and food were being distributed. A tent city was being set up at the Ercis sports stadium. Access to the region was made more difficult as the earthquake caused the partial collapse of the main road between Van and Ercis, broadcaster CNN Turk reported. The military said two battalions had been sent to assist the relief operations. The Dogan news agency reported that 24 people were pulled from the rubble alive in the two hours after midnight. One nurse told CNN Turk news channel the town’s hospital was so badly damaged that staff were treating the injured in the garden and bodies were being left outside the building. Turkey Natural disasters and extreme weather Middle East Europe guardian.co.uk

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Somebody’s ouija board deserves a raise. In this scene from the pilot of Matthew Perry’s short-lived 1987 sitcom Second Chance, Moammar Gadhafi is seen dying and meeting St. Peter … in 2011. ( BuzzFeed picked up on it.) OK, so the show predicted he’d bite the big one on July…

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Herman Cain is known as the former CEO of Godfather’s Pizza and upstart GOP presidential candidate. But between those pursuits, Cain filled his Washington Rolodex as a highly effective industry lobbyist, the New York Times reports. His industry: restaurants. His major issues: fighting smoking bans, opposing the lowering of blood-alcohol…

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Know someone who uses “uh” and “um” a lot, and cause-and-effect conjunctions like “because” and “so that”? Well, not to exaggerate, but your friend may be a psychopath, LiveScience reports. Researchers recently interviewed 52 convicted murderers in an effort to cull out the linguistic tendencies of psychopaths—and found that…

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